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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

‘Everyone knows’ Kiev is embezzling Western aid – ex-Polish PM

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‘Everyone knows’ Kiev is embezzling Western aid – ex-Polish PM

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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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    It is hilarious that you appear to have a notion of RT not serving capital. Who controls capital in Russia?

    If you’re going to pretend to be an ‘enlightened centrist’ while uncritically parotting RT then you should go look in the mirror and remove your clown outfit before attempting to converse with adults.

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      There’s an obvious split between capitalist factions in Russia and the rest of the West.

      RT serves Russian capital, not Western capital. Western media serves Western capital, but not Russian capital. Duh?

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        No shit, Sherlock? That was the entire point of how silly it is to take the word of Russia’s state media with regard to their war of conquest in Ukraine.

        I don’t look to centrist, right-wing, or capital protective media outlets to learn about the genocide in Gaza either, because I have more than two brain cells to rub together.

        ‘Serving capital’ isn’t some abstract strawman that can handwave away literally every criticism of any media outlets. It means something specifically, in the context of the motivations for the outlet.

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          And yet you still assume that the narrative of “conquest” must be true, because of what you’ve been told by Western media.

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            Please share with the class the independent journalism that would illustrate how Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine is justified and not simply a dick-measuring exercise for Putin.

            You can GTFO with any dumbass memes about Nazis throwing salutes, if a decade-long war was launched against every country that has Nazis then no country would be able to get their britches on in the morning.

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              Please share with the class the independent journalism that would illustrate how Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine is justified and not simply a dick-measuring exercise for Putin.

              Previously:

              • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
              • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
              • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
              • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
              • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
              • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
              • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
              • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
              • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
              • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
              • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
              • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
              • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

              Previously:

              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
              • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
              • https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
              • https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
              • CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
              • https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
              • https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
              • HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
              • Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
              • Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
              • Poroshenko saying the quiet part out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

              Previously:

              NATO expansion:

              • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
              • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
              • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

               
              NATO in general:

              • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
              • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
              • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
              • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
              • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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              independent journalism

              i suspect that such a thing doesn’t exist anymore – it’s all either state mouthpieces like rt that were created to dispense propaganda or it’s propaganda laundered through american state department backed ngo’s that dispense it tiny pieces on wikipedia, cnn, npr, cbc, abc, bbc, le monde, der speigel, etc. in the same way that fox news dispenses conservative think-tank “studies” to maga.

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              Do I need to show you the history of Western meddling in elections and color revolutions and coups? Or the Western ambition towards conquering Asia? I think those are pretty well known and speak for themselves.

              With that history in mind, we can’t dismiss Russia’s claims about Maidan being a Western-backed coup. Even if you don’t want to assume Russia’s side of the story is true, you’re making an additional leap by assuming the Western “conquest” narrative.

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      If you’re going to pretend to be an ‘enlightened centrist’ while uncritically parotting RT then you should go look in the mirror and remove your clown outfit before attempting to converse with adults.

      If you were critical towards media then you wouldn’t be having such a kneejerk reaction to a Russian source while being completely silent towards the unbelievable amount of western media who are complicit in genocide. They are constantly posted everywhere in reddit or .world uncritically and you never see such a kneejerk reaction to those sources.

      Do some introspection and stop talking like a redditor.

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